that first song

The_Glass_Olive · Post by **The_Glass_Olive** » Mon Feb 04, 2008 5:12 pm

blockup wrote:
tone-def wrote:Craig is an awesome dj and if it wasn't for him i don't think minimal would be as big as it is today. If fabric didn't play minimal the UK wouldn't be listening.
Really! He's one of the most boring DJ's around, compared to Ricardo, Luciano, RPR he's just doesn't make the grade. When he played next to Luciano at Fabric it was embarrassing. With his first record (Paul Ritch 'Samba') he wiped the floor with him. If he's supposed to be the figurehead of the British scene then its in a sorry state. Also if he's so good then how come Clive Henry is really the only British DJ who plays regularly at DC10. Fabric also doesn't really rate as a club, its has the worst crowd in London. Secretsundaze has been where its at for the last 6 years and they were also the first to book Ricardo, Luciano etc blah blah blah

Whoa. Richards is undoubtedly one of the best DJs on the scene, not just in the UK, but all over Europe. I have heard accusations of sloppiness levelled at him before, but I think these are mainly by people who have seen him once or twice in their lives. Every weekend he plays the premier techno/house night in the UK (I know fabric is commercial blah blah but you can't deny its importance), every weekend! as well as countless other one-off gigs: of course he'll be off sometimes, off course he'll be jaded every so often. To expect every set to be groundbreaking when such a volume of records is being played is unrealistic. Ricardo and Ritchie suffer exactly the same thing in my opinion. I speak from experience, having seen Richards at least 30 times; I have many, many fond memories of being left speechless by the beauty of his sets and many on this forum have voiced similar sentiment.

Your criticism of fabric is odd too. Yes it is a very commercialised institution these days and the crowd is mainly tourists, rich kids and posers who no little about techno/house. But any club that had such good venue, lineups, soundsystem and vibe as fabric had for years will always be jumped on by the masses; especially when you consider the scale of the place. It still is very well possible to have a great night there and a place you can catch many djs who play hardly anywhere else in UK (Ritchie, Ricardo, Luciano) on one of the best systems in the world. The very fact that it s constantly voted no.1 (by punters and jocks) in the world and that all the biggest acts play there shows you that it IS a rated club in the UK, and it IS a big deal, even if the flip side of this is a few more wankers on the dancefloor.

patrick bateman · Post by **patrick bateman** » Mon Feb 04, 2008 5:36 pm

That early 90ties Italian house, and Inner City and stuff like that got me kick started.

Marcus Stork · Post by **Marcus Stork** » Mon Feb 04, 2008 6:08 pm

Are we talking electronic music in general its the late 80's Acid House banger Stakker "Humanoid".
Are we talking minimal it's Robert Hood "Minimal Nation" on Axis from 1994.

Kleig · Post by **Kleig** » Mon Feb 04, 2008 7:30 pm

Tomas Andersson - Washing Up

Not really minimal, but got it got me into other BPitch Control stuff and that way into minimal.

blockup · Post by **blockup** » Mon Feb 04, 2008 9:58 pm

The_Glass_Olive wrote:
blockup wrote:
tone-def wrote:Craig is an awesome dj and if it wasn't for him i don't think minimal would be as big as it is today. If fabric didn't play minimal the UK wouldn't be listening.
Really! He's one of the most boring DJ's around, compared to Ricardo, Luciano, RPR he's just doesn't make the grade. When he played next to Luciano at Fabric it was embarrassing. With his first record (Paul Ritch 'Samba') he wiped the floor with him. If he's supposed to be the figurehead of the British scene then its in a sorry state. Also if he's so good then how come Clive Henry is really the only British DJ who plays regularly at DC10. Fabric also doesn't really rate as a club, its has the worst crowd in London. Secretsundaze has been where its at for the last 6 years and they were also the first to book Ricardo, Luciano etc blah blah blah
Whoa. Richards is undoubtedly one of the best DJs on the scene, not just in the UK, but all over Europe. I have heard accusations of sloppiness levelled at him before, but I think these are mainly by people who have seen him once or twice in their lives. Every weekend he plays the premier techno/house night in the UK (I know fabric is commercial blah blah but you can't deny its importance), every weekend! as well as countless other one-off gigs: of course he'll be off sometimes, off course he'll be jaded every so often. To expect every set to be groundbreaking when such a volume of records is being played is unrealistic. Ricardo and Ritchie suffer exactly the same thing in my opinion. I speak from experience, having seen Richards at least 30 times; I have many, many fond memories of being left speechless by the beauty of his sets and many on this forum have voiced similar sentiment.

Your criticism of fabric is odd too. Yes it is a very commercialised institution these days and the crowd is mainly tourists, rich kids and posers who no little about techno/house. But any club that had such good venue, lineups, soundsystem and vibe as fabric had for years will always be jumped on by the masses; especially when you consider the scale of the place. It still is very well possible to have a great night there and a place you can catch many djs who play hardly anywhere else in UK (Ritchie, Ricardo, Luciano) on one of the best systems in the world. The very fact that it s constantly voted no.1 (by punters and jocks) in the world and that all the biggest acts play there shows you that it IS a rated club in the UK, and it IS a big deal, even if the flip side of this is a few more wankers on the dancefloor.

Berghain/panorama bar, DC10 now they're good clubs. I've had more better nights in the T-Bar than Fabric. As for Richards he just plays minimal by numbers, and to say you've 'been left speechless by the beauty of his sets' shows you have no interest in creative music or even house music. Which is what it is, minimal is just another pigeon hole created by music mags so that they can print articles about new emerging scenes. I've been into house music for 20 years, and i know from experience what makes a good DJ and Club, and fabric and Richards are nowhere on the radar,you never know Fabric may get round to booking RPR next year after they've fallen for the hype. Until then i hope you keep being left speechless by lowest common denominator minimal, that is until the next fad comes along...

Del · Post by **Del** » Tue Feb 05, 2008 12:20 am

Berghain/panorama bar, DC10 now they're good clubs. I've had more better nights in the T-Bar than Fabric. As for Richards he just plays minimal by numbers, and to say you've 'been left speechless by the beauty of his sets' shows you have no interest in creative music or even house music. Which is what it is, minimal is just another pigeon hole created by music mags so that they can print articles about new emerging scenes. I've been into house music for 20 years, and i know from experience what makes a good DJ and Club, and fabric and Richards are nowhere on the radar,you never know Fabric may get round to booking RPR next year after they've fallen for the hype. Until then i hope you keep being left speechless by lowest common denominator minimal, that is until the next fad comes along...

The_Glass_Olive · Post by **The_Glass_Olive** » Tue Feb 05, 2008 2:55 am

blockup wrote:
The_Glass_Olive wrote:
blockup wrote:
tone-def wrote: As for Richards he just plays minimal by numbers, and to say you've 'been left speechless by the beauty of his sets' shows you have no interest in creative music or even house music.

Until then i hope you keep being left speechless by lowest common denominator minimal, that is until the next fad comes along...

Your first conclusion is utterly ridiculous, and my sneaking suspicion that you are a bigamist is readily confirmed by your laugahable appeal to '20 years' of listening to house. So what, you are a bitter old fck who can do little else but appeal to some ridiculously over-hyped 'golden-age' of house (which you probably didn't witness anyway)? Or are you just an artistic fascist who vehemently disagrees with the notion of anyone else enjoying something you don't? Come on. You seem to have some massive agenda against Richards as an induvidual. Sure he is not a innovative producer, sure there are better djs out there, but one thing he is not is 'minimal by numbers'. There are plenty who are, but if you had actually listened to him you would appreciate he is very well engaged with techno and house from the early nineties to the present and has DJed for almost twenty years himself. Sounds like you have just listened to his Tyrant mix, which admittedly is nothing special (that was from 2004 however, when 'minimal' was only still breaking in the UK). You can say I'm simple minded to your blue in the face, but I have had some brilliant nights with him behind the decks, as have thousands of others. I don't know what you expect him to be, some kind of experimental sound installation artist? Poeple go there to listen to new, innovative records mixed with flair, dance, get fucked and have a good time, not write essays; although as you probably are aware Richards is an artist too (probably 'art by numbers').

To accuse me of being a mindless follower of 'minimal' fashion is not only remarkably narrow-minded but particularly ironic in the fact you tell me this on a forum called mnml.nl. T-bar, yes great venue and Djs (sound system leaves a little to be desired, but I am 'not interested in creative music or even house music' so it probably doesn't matter anyway, right?). However, if you hate the media-driven, hype-laden world of 'minimal', this is one of the biggest Shoreditch poser hang-outs and often has more than its fair share of city types too. Whether you have listened to house for twenty years or not I don't care, this forum is for intelligent discussion and by coming on here and criticising (with no basis) and then condemning those who disagree with you as 'having no interest in creative music' is absurd.

Have a terrible day.

apanell · Post by **apanell** » Tue Feb 05, 2008 5:45 am

I don't think I can attribute my like for techno/minimal based on a single song.

I started out liking artists like björk and radiohead (specifically kid a). This got me hooked on a more electronic sound.

Next I found myself listening to things like underworld, and then slowly I got interested in a more electronic sound.

The beginning of my intense interest comes mostly from a good friend of mine introducing me to minimal, but I believe that I have myself rooted in this sound, through other artists.

I'm still waiting for minimal remixes of björk songs