Producing Berghain techno?

pnd · Post by **pnd** » Mon Oct 04, 2010 2:36 am

If you take two things which already exist independently, and merge them together organically and seamlessly, then you have created something new?

MagpieIndustries · Post by **MagpieIndustries** » Mon Oct 04, 2010 10:10 am

pnd wrote:If you take two things which already exist independently, and merge them together organically and seamlessly, then you have created something new?

Sounds like DJing to me.

pnd · Post by **pnd** » Mon Oct 04, 2010 5:57 pm

Sounds like it, but I'm thinking of the bridging of genres and not playing two songs together.

boudo · Post by **boudo** » Mon Oct 04, 2010 8:32 pm

brb gonna go invent berghain-nu-metal-step

mick finesse · Post by **mick finesse** » Mon Oct 04, 2010 10:01 pm

pnd wrote:why not try and do your own thing than just to make a copy of what's already there?

everything in art is copied. people take inspiration from what they enjoy and pass it through their own filter and something different and new is ( usually ) created.

If you go back through what came to be the Berghain sound you'll find a very wide range of past genres that have passed through each new generation of artists, and even recycled through previous generations to create something new

pnd · Post by **pnd** » Tue Oct 05, 2010 3:25 am

It's a great sound. If everyone were to imitate it, wouldn't that be similar to photocopying an image over and over again until all the detail is lost? The way I see it, imitation is anti-information and will ultimately lead to stagnation. It's the cause of death of pretty much every musical genre. Information springs from the boundary of one thing and another, and a genre which doesn't explore this exists in a flat and featureless landscape.

Not sure I'd agree that everything in art is copied, many new things come from negation. Observing what the rules are and doing the complete opposite is also a creative process. What's the difference between a thread asking about imitating the Berghain sound, and a thread asking about imitating the Model 500 sound, besides a time lapse of 20 years or so?

mick finesse · Post by **mick finesse** » Tue Oct 05, 2010 4:15 am

Ask any true artist what art is. There's this ignorant concept of originality out there conceived by people that can't or don't create a work that is digestible.

The Berghain sound is a result of three plus decades of artists bringing Detroit, London, and Berlin to the table and rehashing and re-exploring ideas. Negation is in the process of copying and to an artist this is called 'editing.'

So a man from Malaysia exploring the Berghain sound through his own cultural filter now is the boundary, not some imaginary boundary and new genre you perceive to be out there. Every genre of music to exist comes directly from its fans copying it and giving their own interpretation on it.

If no one were to imitate the sound, it would mean the sound is irrelevant and uninspiring. A more apt analogy to your photocopy one, is everyone imitating it would be like people breaking it into pieces and taking their favorite parts and making another sculpture or collage where new details emerge.

People here are trying to find new ways to explore the sonic playground more than they are trying to emulate X track or Y artist. It's a bit more complex than you're giving it credit for.

"Bad artists copy. Good artists steal." Pablo Picasso

mick finesse · Post by **mick finesse** » Tue Oct 05, 2010 4:17 am

edit: double post