steevio wrote:AK wrote:@ steevio. Wouldnt argue with that and like i said in the reply, only talking about personal preference. I was replying to the OP though and these are mix questions not mastering. Since im not a mastering engineer, it wouldnt make sense for me to talk about it and whilst i know the basic principles, i dont see any value of them here. Much better to leave that to those guys, if/when something is to be mastered. Just dont see the value there of addressing anything but mix stuff.
Yeah the church organ stuff is well known but thats not really related to anything at all here, and yeah cant disagree with the bass frequencies although I do have my preference to their range. E is my favourite key/root note and i did say that in my post too so not sure why you are saying that to me. Anyway, im only replying to the guy if you want to pick me up on stuff carry on but i cant be arsed getting into that.
sorry bro, i read my post and it sounded like i was pulling you up or something, that wasnt where i was coming from, hence the edit.
everything you said i pretty much agree with.
i'm pulling out of this as its already a shambles, like you said there are already plenty of threads on this subject.
ps i do think there is value in looking at this from a mastering perspective as well as a mixing one, i never seperate the two proceedures when i'm making music, i'm constantly looking at a track from both angles, adjusting and readjusting in both domains. the more you understand about everything to do with producing the better imo.
No worries, I thought it was going to go in the long debate style thread about the ins/outs of wording or preference. I just didn't have the capacity. Overworked, tired and underpaid.
It's potentially very deep though yes and no pun intended. I have never had the environment to monitor very low frequencies even though my set up was fairly satisfactory. I've always kinda played it safe with 30hz hp filtering and played out tunes on a number of systems before doing final tweaks. But even with a good set of monitors and decent acoustics, it's still safe to assume bass is not the easiest thing to judge. I doubt I'd ever have a room large enough to be able to make exact mix decisions regarding bass, the majority of others will be in the same boat. And yeah, some of those seriously low dubstep tunes are friggin nuts if you've got the capacity to really hear it all. There was another genre ( bass something or other ) which seriously messed about with frequencies below 30hz. How? I dunno!
I don't see a lot of activity below 30hz on mastered techno material, at least not the stuff that I have analysed ( but that's been a while ) I'll notice a 30hz cut gives more headroom without me noticing any reduction in bass or sense of bass but then my monitors don't do a lot below 38hz and I don't use a subwoofer. If I had the room size, money for srriously good acoustic treatment and great speakers, I would probably have a better idea but I still think I haven't done too bad by adopting reasonably sensible techniques. Hard though.
kdgh wrote:Besides the topic IS quite simple...
It isn't mate, not by a long shot. You can come in at a lot of angles and there could be pages and pages on just one of them.
Try a maxxbass... a plugin with psycho-acoustics that 'adds' bass. It does quite the opposite. It add's harmonics.
What do you mean it does the opposite, opposite to what? I don't know much about it, I remember reading it sounds awful on larger systems but might have some benefit on smaller home stereo type speakers which may cut off in the 60-80hz region. There were great bass tracks way before the advent of plugins, it's not a necessity or replacement for knowledge.
funny to see everybody talking in numbers of hz....
In terms of filtering out frequencies, it's often used in the context of 'around 'X' hz'. As a sort of point of reference. Steevio has mentioned other important factors regarding frequencies.
Anyway, my new studio room needs to be sorted before I am going to be competent with ANY type of bass. A quick test the other days through a pair of Mackies and the bass is twice as loud in one side of the room at the far left. And no, nothing in there yet so is to be expected at the moment.